Refusing Over-Treatment, Chinese Medicine, and Aging Powerfully

0:00 The Regeneration Effect: Aging Powerfully and Refusing Over-Treatment

Dr. Yi Song: They want me to do the chemo drugs and radiation. I refused all of those because I did my research. She has fallen many, many times, never breakable. We don't say anti-aging, but aging powerfully. Botox has been around, approved for 20 years, right? But it's like the strongest toxin.

Welcome back to Regeneration Effect. So happy to have Cat with us today, and we've got a lot to get into.

Cat Duff: Yeah, you are just such a knowledgeable person in my life and you've given me so many tools, I think in both the Eastern and Western medicine space, and so I can't wait to dive in with you.

Dr. Yi Song: Sure, I would like to discuss that. I also discuss a lot of these merging ideas, bridges between Eastern and Western medicine in my book. I have the Bridge book just published last week, and then the big one, 400 pages, is coming.

Cat Duff: Amazing. What's the title of the book that's coming?

Dr. Yi Song: The book that's coming is called Regeneration Effect, Sacred Wisdom for Staying Young.

Cat Duff: I love it. So it truly is bringing together the 6,000 years of ancient wisdom in Chinese medicine with all of the new diagnostic tools and Western medicine ideals?

Dr. Yi Song: Yes.

1:38 Dr. Yi Song's 2017 DCIS Diagnosis

Cat Duff: So as our listeners know, we always try to get under the hood first. I want them to get to know you a bit more and hear more about your lived experience. Tell us about a time where you encountered something in your health journey that was surprising or felt like an aha moment.

Dr. Yi Song: I would say that moment was 2017. My doctor kept telling me I needed to do a mammogram because I was 42 at that time. I finally said, okay, what the heck, I'll do it. When I did, they said they saw some calcification on one of the breasts and sent me for a biopsy. They told me I had this thing called ductal carcinoma in situ. They wanted me to have surgery to remove it. They wanted me to do chemo drugs and radiation. I refused all of those because I did my research.

Cat Duff: What is that, in layman's terms? And how did you go about doing the research?

Dr. Yi Song: For most people they just say, oh, you have breast cancer. But there are many different types. I'm not telling people not to do the traditional Western medicine treatment if you are diagnosed with cancer. It really depends on the type. What I had is a type that, if you don't treat it, plenty of research shows it's very slow growing, and most cases are over-treated.

There are several articles, even back then, published saying this type of breast condition tends to be over-treated. People think it can become an aggressive type of breast cancer, but the chance is very small. You're putting women through unnecessary suffering of chemo and radiation, causing damages, for very small risks. So if you keep monitoring it, that's the best way to treat it.

Cat Duff: That's such a big conversation we're trying to have for women. Everything is so polarizing. It's like you have to do the conventional treatment, or you have to do coffee enemas every day. There's no middle. So how did you support it rather than just wait and see?

4:38 Sleep, Lifestyle, and Root Cause of Disease

Dr. Yi Song: At that time, first of all, I was working very hard and I didn't have enough sleep, even though I didn't feel tired. I was not having a very good regular schedule for sleeping. After that, it was a wake-up call for me, and I started modifying my behavior and lifestyle. I think that is a big factor, I believe, that can contribute to developing that.

I always knew that particular breast had some history. Even in my 20s, one time I felt a small nodule, did a biopsy, and they told me it was a fibroid adenoma. I had been using thermal imaging on that breast since my 20s, so I knew it had some difference, but not aggressive. If you have triple negative aggressive breast cancer, or metastatic, then you have to do chemotherapy, radiation, or even mastectomy. But this type was not even considered breast cancer sometimes. It's just calcification because the duct is blocked.

The first thing I told my doctor was that I wanted to use a company that does genetic composition testing on the biopsy sample. So they sent the sample, they tested the genetic composition, and the result said the potential to develop into cancer was very moderate. So that's another reason why I didn't do anything.

Cat Duff: So in your Chinese medicine background, because at that time you already had your PhD, how did you start treating yourself?

Dr. Yi Song: For me, I understand that breast is related to stomach in Chinese medicine. I knew as a fact that, since I was born, I always had stomach heat. So it was not even a surprise to me that I had this condition.

The number one thing was modifying my lifestyle. At that time I was not paying attention to my sleep pattern. I was working until maybe 11 p.m., then I would go swimming. After swimming I got so pumped up I would work until 2 a.m. So I stopped doing that. The gym was open until midnight, so I'd go swimming at 11 or 10:30, and it felt so good. But the problem was, if I didn't go swimming, I'd have neck pain pop up, and the only way to alleviate it was either swimming or deep tissue massage.

Cat Duff: That's women in a nutshell. We think we can get everything in the 24-hour span we have, but there is a cost.

9:36 Chinese Medicine 101: 6,000 Years of Wisdom

Cat Duff: Can you, for our listeners who are not familiar with Chinese medicine, just give us the quick and dirty?

Dr. Yi Song: Chinese medicine was developed 6,000 years ago by people who were looking into immortality. They wanted to promote their health and live to a full lifespan of 120 years old. When they were looking for immortality, they were also looking into immortality of the spirit. Think about the monks. When they got into older ages, they would do meditation, even like Buddha. They got into Nirvana. So if you believe in that, when people are dying, the spirit is not dying, the flesh is dying. The flesh has a cycle of lifespan, and I believe the maximum is 120 years old. The spirit can live on.

So when they were looking for immortality, they were also looking into the spiritual side. We don't need to talk about that right now. Let's just talk about the flesh. Because Chinese medicine is so focused on longevity and a healthy lifestyle, it is based on the understanding of the human body's interaction with the universe and with nature. You want the human body to be in sync with nature, not working against the current. Everybody has their up and down, so you have to have a strategy. Chinese medicine is about the harmony of the human body with nature, and how you harmonize your body to keep it in optimized balance. That's when you achieve the best health.

12:22 Why Western Medicine Misses Root Cause

Cat Duff: I am so fascinated by it because there's so much misconception. People hear Chinese medicine and think it isn't adaptive, that it is ancient and hasn't evolved, which is completely untrue. It's evidence-based. Acupuncture is being pulled into multiple hospitals across the United States. So how do you see the difference, and how do they play together now?

Dr. Yi Song: Initially when I started my clinic 20 years ago, I really wanted to do the integrative medicine part because I believe when these two are combined together, that's the most powerful. At that time I was still thinking that for certain conditions there are limitations in Chinese medicine and Western medicine has more advantage. But over the past 20 years, I actually realized the approaches and theories in Chinese medicine are way more advanced than Western medicine, because Western medicine was only developed in the past 150 years. Our current system was only developed since John D. Rockefeller modernized medical school education and built the pharmaceutical company system, all within the past 100 years.

Chinese medicine theories were already developed 6,000 years ago. The people who developed those theories were doing very advanced meditation. They understood the connection between the human body and the universe. They envisioned the flow of energy inside the human body. That's how they could develop the complicated system of 12 channels, where you can use one point on your leg to treat your shoulder problem. How do they know that? It develops through meditation.

Cat Duff: When Rockefeller created our medical system, he made it siloed. That's where women have a huge issue. You go to your OB, they refer you to the endocrinologist, then gastro, and no one's talking to one another. You have to be your own advocate.

14:14 The Breast-Stomach Connection in TCM

Cat Duff: So how is that linked, the breast and the stomach, and how do you use acupuncture specifically to address all of this?

Dr. Yi Song: The reason breast is related to stomach is because the stomach channel passes the breast area. The stomach channel internally connects to the stomach and spleen, which are responsible for the digestive system in Chinese medicine. It may not be exactly the same concept as the stomach or spleen in Western organs, but it's the energetic level. It refers to the digestive system. They are responsible for transforming and transporting food, and turning food into energy for your body to live.

When your digestive system is weak, you have a sluggish digestion that can't transform and transport food efficiently. That's when dampness accumulates. When dampness accumulates, that's when it can cause problems in your breast area or other places.

Cat Duff: That's actually something I have a chronic anxiousness around, constipation. There's a lot of talk about colon cancer. If you're not eliminating, you're not removing toxins, and there's buildup. Does digestion have a huge impact on that?

Dr. Yi Song: Colon belongs to large intestine in Chinese medicine, similar to the large intestine in Western organs. But large intestine is also associated with the lungs. The lungs are also paired with spleen. The lungs in Chinese medicine also have an immune component, and they're associated with skin. So your gut, breast, lung, and skin are all connected.

17:13 Recognizing Your Body Constitution

Dr. Yi Song: For me, because I was born with damp heat, one of the principles I talk about in the book is to recognize your body's constitution. Everybody is born with a certain type of body. You have to recognize that, because you cannot change what you were born with. It's like your genetic composition. Once you recognize it, you have to do things to strengthen the weakness you're born with, and also moderate the excess. Then you can make it more balanced.

If you do the opposite, you weaken your digestive system further by eating irregularly, eating bad food, or drinking cold drinks, which is considered not good for digestion. People with a strong digestive system can drink all the ice drinks they want and not have any problem. But if you have digestive weakness, you cannot do that.

Cat Duff: So how do you know what you're born with?

Dr. Yi Song: You have to go through consultation with a Chinese medicine expert. They go through your whole health history. For me, I had a lot of eczema as a child, then a lot of acne in my teens and 20s. I wasn't eating regularly or eating the 100% right food, so I'd have gas and bloating in the evening. Those were all symptoms showing I had digestive system weakness. Once I realized that, I corrected it. I rarely drink ice drinks. I mostly drink warm tea, and beverages beneficial to digestion: bone broth, ginger, coca leaf tea from Colombia, matcha green tea to cleanse heat in my body.

Beyond history, a Chinese medicine practitioner looks at your tongue, feels your pulse, and looks at your complexion. When I was younger, every time I went to see the Chinese medicine doctor, they'd tell me, you have damp heat. If you look at my tongue in the mirror, I have very thick coating, which is the symptom of damp heat.

Cat Duff: I was chatting with Hui and she was just like, you're blood deficient. So I've been trying to do more warming foods in the morning and have bone broth and all that. We're in progress, but we're getting there.

21:16 What Regenerative Medicine Actually Means

Cat Duff: Back to the Regeneration Effect, what is regenerative medicine?

Dr. Yi Song: Regenerative medicine in modern terms encompasses a lot of things. NAD, red light therapy, peptide injections, peptide capsules. They all fall into regenerative medicine because nowadays people not only want to live longer, they want to have high quality of life when they're in their 80s and 90s. You don't want to sit in a nursing home just waiting to pass away. That's not the quality of life we want. We want to be able to enjoy life and still do all the activities we enjoy. So how do you prevent the degenerative conditions? That's why regenerative medicine came about in the past 20 years.

Cat Duff: Was there one thing you saw in your acupuncture practice where you were like, I need to transition now?

Dr. Yi Song: It happened just by chance. Even nowadays, when people come to acupuncture, they're not doing early enough prevention. That's another principle in the book. Early prevention. Most people don't say, I really need to prevent something happening 10 years down the road by modifying this. Even when people initially have minor shoulder pain or knee pain, they don't do anything. They take painkillers. Or there's a small percentage who don't want to take painkillers, so they just suffer. Then it gets so bad they go to the doctor, and the doctor says, oh, you're bone on bone, you need a knee replacement.

Yesterday I just saw a guy who's only 38. He already had four knee surgeries for ACL tears. He had one repair, then he blew it again skiing. I myself had an ACL tear in one knee, but I never did any surgery. After I started doing stem cells, I injected my own knee three times in 2023. My knee was much better. Before that, the joint felt unstable.

Cat Duff: You understood that you had to get ahead of it. It's something Genwell is built on, how do we get ahead of every life stage. When we were working together with acupuncture, that was for the fertility aspect. I just think the whole regenerative medicine name is, I wish there was a different name. I don't love biohacking either. To me, hack has some connection with grifting, people coming in and trying to sell you things you don't need. I want to understand my body so I can make real changes that lead to healthy longevity.

Dr. Yi Song: A lot of hackers, like Brian Johnson, Dave Asprey, they want to live to 180 years old, 300 years. That's against nature.

Cat Duff: I'm sorry, but if Brian Johnson talks about his Johnson one more time, I will throw up. That's not the life I want to lead.

Dr. Yi Song: He's very extreme, but on the other hand, he experimented with a lot of things, which gives us some information.

26:33 The Six Principles of the Regeneration Effect

Cat Duff: Let's continue on those six principles you've included. We talked about constitution, early prevention, and treating root cause.

Dr. Yi Song: Treating root cause. That's the very important one because Western medicine most of the time doesn't treat root cause. They just treat the symptoms. If you have pain, take the painkiller. That's only masking the pain. You're not treating the root cause. The guy yesterday, even though he blew his ACLs four times, at least he understands taking painkillers is masking the pain. He decided to do stem cells to help his shoulder, which had been a problem for the past 10 years. He had tried everything, including peptides, and nothing helped, because it was masking it.

Cat Duff: Let's go back to that example of the breast. If the breast and stomach are connected, could some of those cancers be connected to the stomach as the root cause?

Dr. Yi Song: Any type of cancer is considered blood stagnation in Chinese medicine. Only when your circulation is very poor can it not clear the toxins or the cancer cells. We generate cancer cells in our body all the time. You have to keep your immune system functioning well to clean up the malfunction cells. If your immune system is not strong enough, that's when you start accumulating problems.

Cat Duff: In Chinese medicine, is the immune system also in the gut?

Dr. Yi Song: In Chinese medicine, we never talk about the immune system in the stomach. But large intestine is related to the lungs, and lungs are connected to the immune system. They are the outermost layer of the body's defense. When your lungs are weak, or your large intestine is affected, it affects your immune system. Nowadays people are talking about microbiome, and most of the good bacteria are in the large intestine.

Cat Duff: Just makes my wheels spin. I'm thinking of what we're ingesting and breathing in. I was just talking with Architectural Digest about creating your healthy home baseline. If you're cleaning with chemicals, burning scented candles, your sleep situation doesn't have great hygiene, that has a cumulative impact on your lungs and everything we just mentioned.

Dr. Yi Song: Even those scented candles, a lot of them can affect your hormones. For women particularly, if you do a genetic test, it can show whether you are sensitive to certain chemicals that affect estrogen and estradiol. If you have a certain genetic composition, you definitely need to avoid those chemicals.

30:25 Genetic Testing Beyond 23andMe and Ancestry

Cat Duff: Would you go to a geneticist for that? Would you ever do an at-home genetics test?

Dr. Yi Song: I actually did a genetic test five months ago. By chance, I saw this guy, Kashif Khan, who has the DNA Company. They do full genetic testing. He was talking about how, if you have certain genetic compositions, you're not suitable to do red light therapy at night. Before he told me that, I had already realized I was that type, but I didn't have any proof. So I attended his webinar, and they sell a program where you do the genetic testing and they explain everything to you.

It turns out they not only test your hormone-related genes. They also test digestion-related genes and emotion. Which was very surprising because they didn't know me at all, you just send in a sample with a number. Their difference from 23andMe and Ancestry is that they don't sell your data. I found out I have these types of genes, and the emotion part actually showed some character traits, which were super accurate. So it's very fascinating what they can test now.

Cat Duff: So would you ever work with someone in your practice in the constitution phase to round that out?

Dr. Yi Song: Yes. After you read the book, you can get a private consultation with me. I'll go through the Chinese medicine part. If you're interested in DNA testing, the whole panel only costs around $500. It's affordable for most people. The problem is interpreting the result. Especially for the hormone part, you need to understand what type of hormone replacement therapy is good for you in menopause. Right now FDA already removed the black label for hormone replacement therapy. People need to understand: it's not like if it works for the other person, it will work for you. You have to do what's particularly right for your body.

Cat Duff: Which is why it should be accessible. That should be the baseline for any of these supplements coming out, any of these DTC consulting brands. You have to know your nuance. Am I able to methylate and detoxify? I just did a 3x4 test, and I haven't had my results read yet because I know I'm an alarmist. I'd go on ChatGPT saying, this seems like I can't detox myself. Just going down the rabbit hole.

Dr. Yi Song: For me also, my detox genes are not that great. So when I get an infection, like a cold or flu, it takes a long time to clear it up.

Cat Duff: Did you ever have the fibroadenoma removed from your breasts?

Dr. Yi Song: No.

Cat Duff: So I had one removed. I don't know if they left some in there, or another one grew back at a similar location. I had it removed, but I'm curious if it possibly morphed into whatever you were talking about.

Dr. Yi Song: When I was 12 years old, I had a lipoma removed. They discovered I had it because I was born with damp heat. They said the thing was growing bigger because my body was growing. They finally removed it when I was 12. Right now I feel that area is still there. So it grew back. If it's a fibroadenoma, why do you want to remove it? It's benign anyway.

Cat Duff: I worked with an amazing oncologist in New York. She studied specifically fibroadenoma and what it could potentially grow into. For me, the decision was to remove it. I trusted her implicitly. The last one I had removed was 2017. My mom had breast cancer, and that was what was alarming me, why I made the decision. I'm also going to do the BRCA gene test. I was negative for BRCA, but inconclusive for CHEK2, which is something I'm constantly educating myself on.

It's all really overwhelming. Sometimes it's like too much information, but you want more. What it comes down to is finding people like you, and a geneticist, and a great OB, and having your care team to help you work through it.

38:42 Soy, Genistein, and the Estrogen Receptor Myth

Dr. Yi Song: Talking about breast cancer risk, the one thing is about soy. 25 years ago, when I was doing research, we were studying one ingredient in soy called genistein that can act on estrogen. It's actually blocking, instead of stimulating, the estrogen receptor. It binds to the receptor and makes it not active. So it has the beneficial effect of preventing your estrogen receptor from being overstimulated.

So many people would say, my breast cancer doctor told me don't eat anything with soy because soy stimulates breast cancer. People would also say, when you go through menopause, don't eat soy because it stimulates estrogen. But in reality, I knew from 25 years ago, from research and ancient data, that Asian women have much lower breast cancer risk compared to Western women. One of the reasons is because ancient Asian women ate more tofu, and tofu is from soy.

The difference is our soy products in the United States are highly processed. Isolated soy protein, all these things are not the whole soybean. So what I have been doing for the past five years is making my own soy milk from organic soybeans you can get from a farm in Iowa. They sell directly, no middleman. You make your own soy milk that doesn't have any additives. I drink it warm. It really helps with hormone issues going through menopause.

Cat Duff: So you were making it on your own?

Dr. Yi Song: I make it on my own. You buy a $100 soy milk maker from Amazon. That thing maybe lasts six months to a year, then it breaks and you buy another one. Put soybean directly in. You don't even need to soak it overnight. Put water in, it has its own control, grinds the soy, and in 20 minutes you have your own soy milk. I add matcha green tea and some manuka honey. Sometimes I don't add anything. I don't make it every day anymore because I don't have time, but I feel it really helps the hormones. It's not what most people think. That's a misconception.

Cat Duff: Am I correct in saying perimenopause is your estrogen only that starts to decline? So if you're drinking soy, that blocks the estrogen?

Dr. Yi Song: The genistein in soy not only prevents overstimulation of the estrogen receptor. Estrogen has three types in your body, and the receptor has many different types. Some are stimulation, some modulate the action. The genistein is preventing overstimulation of estrogen. But when you are at menopause, you have decline in estrogen, so you need some too. So it also has that modulating effect. It's not like hormone replacement, which is purely stimulating.

44:05 Kids, Cow Milk, and Xenoestrogen Exposure

Cat Duff: My daughter is only two, but we're noticing the trend of girls getting their periods earlier.

Dr. Yi Song: That's our food.

Cat Duff: Right. So is there a benefit then. When I was breastfeeding, pediatricians always said give cow's milk, give cow's milk. I personally didn't because I was like, why does she need to drink milk? She can eat food and get nutrients there. I can supplement with dairy and cheese. But all these alternative milks. If Zoe wants milk, sometimes my husband Ryan has oat milk, she'll have oat milk. There's no nutritional benefit, she might as well have water and be hydrated. So is soy milk something we should be giving to girls to offset xenoestrogens and this estrogenic world?

Dr. Yi Song: I think yeah, in moderate amounts. When I grew up in China, we were drinking soy milk regularly. We didn't have a lot of cow milk back then, and we didn't have any alternative milks like now. You can milk anything. If you buy that soy milk maker, you can also make almond milk, any kind of nut milk you want. So start with soy. I'll send you the link to that place where you can buy organic soybeans from the farm. They even tell you which year the harvest is.

Cat Duff: I'll link it in the show notes.

45:51 Tending the Garden Instead of Joint Replacement

Cat Duff: So we talked about root cause and early prevention. What is the natural flow and tending the garden?

Dr. Yi Song: Tending the garden basically means, don't look at your body like a machine. Western medicine looks at your body like cause and effect. If your knee is bad, replace it. If your shoulder is bad, replace it. Like an oil change. But your original part always works better. Even if you look at the body like a machine, we all know that with a car, original OEM works better than a replacement. Original parts last longer. So even looking at the body as a machine tells us we should not just easily say, let's do joint replacement. There are way better ways. If the last resort and nothing helps, then yeah, do it if the pain is too bad. But there are always other ways. If you do it early enough, you don't need joint replacement.

A lot of joint replacements, after surgery, people still have so many problems. It's not solving things. The angle, the space between the joint, the surgeon follows the general rule, but everybody is different. For some people the angle is a bit off, and they end up with more pain somewhere else. And it can't be fixed once you change it.

Cat Duff: So bringing that full circle with the regeneration effect, with the last step being holistic care, treating the whole body, not one-size-fits-all. If someone has knee pain and you want to save them five or ten years from getting a replacement, how would you treat them?

Dr. Yi Song: If you already had multiple knee injuries, like I had in my left knee, you start doing things now. You don't wait until your cartilage is worn out and your meniscus is gone. For example, if you do a stem cell injection now, you only need it once every five years. In between you can do acupuncture, herbal protocols, and a lot of things to prevent inflammation from accumulating. Red light therapy too.

49:08 Red Light Therapy: Strength, Timing, and Brands

Cat Duff: I have one question on that. Everyone is using red light therapy now. I have a red light mask. Don't tell my husband, but I haven't used it. He got it for me two years ago. Whole-body red light, I've done that before. It reminds me of when I used to go into tanning beds in my teens. What modalities are you incorporating that get a bad rap on social media or that Western medicine demonizes?

Dr. Yi Song: Red light therapy right now, Western medicine is not demonizing it. It's just still new to a lot of people. They don't know what it is. I made two podcast episodes with the guy who invented two devices. For my book, I have what's called the Regeneration Home Kit, which includes the portable red light device he made.

Your red light mask usually doesn't have strong enough light. The mask has LEDs in it, but they aren't strong enough. Because it's thin, it doesn't have a heat sink to release heat. If you turn this device on for 10 minutes, it gets really warm.

Cat Duff: So what do you do with that one in particular?

Dr. Yi Song: I made a video where I use this on my eye corner with a before and after, after using it for 30 days. It's more beneficial if you focus on a certain area of your face, because the mask is all over your face and not strong enough for any single area. If you have concern about fine lines somewhere, this device is very focused and very strong. It has the irradiance of full spectrum sun at noontime.

Cat Duff: If you go on Amazon and someone buys a red light mask, it doesn't have the right spectrums?

Dr. Yi Song: Most of them have the right spectrum. What they don't have is the strength. The theory of red light working for anti-aging or promoting cellular function is through light shining on the cellular organ mitochondria. You need strong enough light, the energy, to stimulate ATP production in the mitochondria. If it's not strong enough, you don't have any effect. There may be some psychological benefit, a mood boost, but the scientific part requires strong enough light.

Cat Duff: So if you're treating your eyes, how do you get a greater benefit for mitochondrial health?

Dr. Yi Song: I use this plus another portable machine for joints, and recently I bought a big panel. I do it every morning for 10 minutes.

Cat Duff: Naked, with your matcha and your soy milk.

Dr. Yi Song: I found out from my genetic composition that I cannot do it at night because it affects my circadian rhythm. There's a particular gene related to circadian rhythm. Even before I knew about the gene, I was doing infrared sauna, and when I did it at night I wouldn't sleep well, somehow stimulated. So I stopped doing it at night. I figured it out without knowing why. Then they told me I had that gene. Recently, one day I missed the morning session and tried at night. Again, I didn't sleep well. So I know it as a fact.

Cat Duff: So if women are listening and they want to buy a red light mask or a full panel, do you know what they should be looking for?

Dr. Yi Song: Look for the irradiance. It should be at least above 135 mW per square centimeter. The reputable brands right now are all made in China. The guy who developed all this, Lee Weinstein, said the reason they're all made in China is because China needs to grow a lot of food indoors. When you grow food indoors, you shine the plants with red light to stimulate growth. So all these things were used in China in horticulture to grow food.

55:43 Lee Weinstein and the Science Behind Red Light

Cat Duff: What's the name of the guy you've been working with?

Dr. Yi Song: Lee Weinstein.

Cat Duff: What are his credentials in the scientific space?

Dr. Yi Song: His father was the number one superconductor scientist. His father passed away a few years ago. Lee went to MIT. Before he even went to MIT, when he was a teenager, he developed laser tag. He was the first inventor of laser tag. If you look up on Wikipedia, his name is there.

Cat Duff: Maybe we need to invent some sort of adult laser tag.

Dr. Yi Song: That's why he's always into laser-related technology. I really listen to what he says because he understands these mechanisms better than I do. There's so much noise out there. All these influencers promote things not because they understand them, but because they're paid to promote them. So how does a regular consumer tell which is better? If you just listen to influencers, a lot of those products are junk.

57:00 Red Light for Eyes and Early Prevention

Cat Duff: Are there risks to using the wrong type of red light or some cheap product on Amazon?

Dr. Yi Song: The cheap one isn't going to give you therapeutic strength. You definitely need to wear eye protection. But on the other hand, if you use red light with the right filter, Lee Weinstein made an eye adapter. He showed it on the show I did with him. If you shine that onto your eyes through that filter, it won't damage the eye. It's actually beneficial for vision and macular degeneration. I'm intending to do that. I haven't done that yet. When people get older, they start having vision issues, the eye can't focus as well. I do feel that. So I want to prevent it. Early prevention. You don't want to wait until you can't read and have to wear reading glasses. If you do it now, you can prevent the decline.

Cat Duff: Thank you for giving women some alternatives to consider and educating them in that space. I will book my acupuncture session because I am way overdue. Thank you so much.